Sparks a The blowing air (La7) tra Michele Santoroleader of the movement Peace Earth Dignitythe host of the show David Porec and the envoy of Corriere della Sera Lorenzo Cremonesi on the attack on the Crocus of Mosca.
Cremonesi, connected from Donbass, accuses Santoro of causing “confusion” due to his anti-war positions and says he has collected the testimonies of some Ukrainian soldiers on site: “On this terrible attack Putin does what he usually does, that is mind and tells terrifying lies, as they explain in Kiev and he said Zelensky. The Ukrainians had nothing to do with the massacre, Putin’s narrative is ridiculous. I heard very confusing sentences earlier in the studio – he continues, referring to Santoro – and this confusion can then take hold and become semi-truth, if not truth”.
Santoro comments: “I’m shocked in that a journalist, even an authoritative one, takes only one source, which is the Ukrainian one, and assume that what he says is true. But how can you have this certainty?”
“Well, we tend to believe more in democracies than in dictatorships,” replies Parenzo.
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“This is an ideological objection – replies Santoro – Among other things, we are talking about what you think are democracies. And in fact journalism is being reduced to describing Putin as a lying monster.”
“And it’s not?”, asks Parenzo.
“He’s not a monster – replies the journalist – and the things he says aren’t always lies. Describing Putin in this way is only functional to the fact that you want to go to war. Ok, let’s start this war. But then how can you say with certainty that Ukraine had nothing to do with the massacre in Moscow, when there are very strong points of Ukrainian resistance in Russia? There could be connections, what do we know? – She adds – To say that Ukraine had absolutely nothing to do with it because Zelensky said so, in my opinion, is a colossal lie.. Or a democratic lie, okay? Keep Zelensky as a Democrat, since there elections are not held, opponents cannot speak otherwise they will be crushed in every way… Sorry, but what description do you give of Ukraine? But what is it, a perfect world where democracy reigns?”.
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Santoro underlines: “We must get closer to the enemy if we want peace and instead there is a Third World War climate to which this information contributes“.
“But the West is not to blame, at least you will recognize this,” objects Parenzo.
“So it’s only one person’s fault? – replies Santoro – Peace cannot be made when there is only one culprit. And then in your opinion we need to make war and depose him. You want to wage a war without knowing what is being put in place of what is therethat is, destabilizing the entire world.”
“We don’t want to make war on anyone,” replies Parenzo.
“Of course – Santoro comments – At least have the courage to say it”.